At what point?

[Timoris]

At what point can you be considered talented at origami?

Not that it matters, but I find this hard to pin down. People who do not fold find the most hurried Satoshi Pegasus something to marvel about - as though it were your own.

So at what point can others start taking you seriously?

When you're able to fold a complex model (Langs, Kus, Kamiyas) without the aid of diagrams (from memory)?
When you're able to fold a model by only looking at the CP?
When you yourself are able to create your own original Models?

[kareshi]

When someone calls you talented.

It'll be different based on whose admiration you're seeking.

[origami_8]

I've seen people fold the Ancient Dragon who aren't talented at all (their models looked accordingly). I guess talent is something that is not defined by how complex you can go but has more to do with how easy and good you are able to fulfil certain tasks. You can also be very talented in one area but not so much in another. For example there are people who can design models as if there wouldn't be anything easier but aren't so good at folding and vice versa. Of course there are also people who are talented at both tasks.

[Timoris]

Wow, very concise and eloquent explanation. No wonder you're the admin :-p

SO, it's much like a D&D character sheet, got it!
The more you fold, the more experience you get, the more points you can spend into certain areas, which, over time, develop into new talents and feats.

Eg: folding enough made me recognize certain folds are repeated to obtain certain shapes. By taking folds from various models and incorporating them into my own, I've just designed an original!

But now I'm going off on a tangent...

NEW IDEA!

Origami RPG, it'll sell by the dozens!

[spiritofcat]

Yeah, there are probably two main factors in being considered a talented folder:
- Ability to perform various types of folds with neatness and precision.
- Ability to understand complicated folding concepts and diagrams.

And then there's also talent in designing, which requires a whole other set of factors.

[fncll]

Origami, it seems to me, puts the dimensions of "art" and "craft" (to speak very loosely) at the forefront more than many other arts. Is a folder talented if he can fold a Joisel or Kamiya or Lang model so that you couldn't tell which he had folded and which they had? Sure. But is that talent any different than the talent of a good forger or a studio musician who can replicate so closely it may as well be perfectly? Whatever that talent is in the craft, being able to design something new is at least a different thing...and to me a greater thing.

I became a pretty proficient guitar player when I was younger. I could play some complex, well-regarded works and do so rather well. I never wrote any music of note (haha), though, and I finally quit playing because my inability to do so kind of ruined it for me. Replicating is a talent; creating something new is a greater one. Even, in my mind, if other people can play or fold that creation better than the creator can...

I'll probably never be an origami designer. I doubt I will ever be more than an adequate folder. But for some reason that doesn't keep me from enjoying it!

[malifold]

I'd say there are 5 areas of talent:
precise folding
ability to follow tricky diagrams
ability to fold a base from a CP
being good at shaping, like Joisel
designing

Rating myself ona scale of 1 to 5, I'd give myself 3.5, 5, 3.5, 3, 2.

[jsu718]

I think patience is the singular skill involved in origami. The more patience you have the better you fold, and the more complex models you can sit through.

[fncll]

True. And patience is valuable to just enjoy the process. But is there a point at which even practically unlimited patience stops yielding tangible improvement?