JOAS Special Edition Diagrams 2008

pharmjod · Post by **pharmjod** » April 14th, 2008, 4:23 pm

Has anyone heard any good speculation or confirmation of what the JOAS Special Edition Diagrams this year are going to be? I was thinking that last year it was known before hand that they would be the hermit crab so I was hoping someone might have info for this year. Either way I will be eagerly anticipating a small brown envelope from Japan in the coming months :)

tee · Post by **tee** » April 14th, 2008, 4:43 pm

http://origami.gr.jp/~hojyo/index.htm

i think it will be a complete diagram of 金剛力士像/Vajrapani.

halogen64 · Post by **halogen64** » April 14th, 2008, 4:47 pm

I am actually very disappointed by this. That model is not very good. I was hoping for something like Shibaraku or God of Thunder, or Hideo Komatsu's Lion or Bodybuilder. Oh well, maybe next year.

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » April 14th, 2008, 7:06 pm

halogen64 wrote:I am actually very disappointed by this. That model is not very good. I was hoping for something like Shibaraku or God of Thunder, or Hideo Komatsu's Lion or Bodybuilder. Oh well, maybe next year.

Are you kidding? If by not very good you mean lacking flashy complex features then yes you are right. But if by not very good you mean not very good you are wrong. The face is amazing-it conveys so much emotion. The posture of the body also contributes to this. All of the shaping is so clean and beautiful. The legs and arms are simple yet defined. The clothes show so much movement that you can almost feel a gust of wind blowing across your face as you look at it. I don't think you can justify saying it isn't very good.

rdrutel · Post by **rdrutel** » April 14th, 2008, 8:21 pm

Jonnycakes wrote: The face is amazing-it conveys so much emotion. The posture of the body also contributes to this. All of the shaping is so clean and beautiful. The legs and arms are simple yet defined. The clothes show so much movement that you can almost feel a gust of wind blowing across your face as you look at it. I don't think you can justify saying it isn't very good.

This is a very artistic description Jonathan...

This is not an action model by any means. Aquarius has action. You may be able to fold some minor action into it...but it can just as much be a model that just stands there. It does not look like it was created to have action. However, there is no doubt this is a great model. But also, if I am not mistaken, the majority of this is already in OTC 11 (Edit:Thought it was 10) and I think I remember that it is a very minor variation from Icarus by the chest, head, and folding the wing into an arm to have two. Is this a great model? Yes. Would it be a disappointment? Probably many would see it that way. But, still nobody knows if this will be it or not for sure.

ROD

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 14th, 2008, 8:31 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, Jon, but I agree with halogen. Vajrapani is very similar to his Icarus, which was diagrammed in a previous Tanteidan special edition. Also, it was mostly diagrammed in Tanteidan 11th Convention book. Not only that, but it's the kind of thing that only good folded from huge paper. Those facial details are tiny. I'm not saying it's not a great Hojyo piece, but as far as being the Tanteidan special edition, that's kind of slacking. Shibaraku, Komatsu's Lion, some secret Yoshino or Kawahata works--those are what we're looking for.

Edit: I can't read. I meant halogen, not Merman. Sorry dude.

merman · Post by **merman** » April 14th, 2008, 8:40 pm

huh... I didn't say anything Jared. I am glad you agreed with me anyway!

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » April 14th, 2008, 11:51 pm

origamimasterjared wrote:You're entitled to your opinion, Jon, but I agree with halogen. Vajrapani is very similar to his Icarus, which was diagrammed in a previous Tanteidan special edition. Also, it was mostly diagrammed in Tanteidan 11th Convention book. Not only that, but it's the kind of thing that only good folded from huge paper. Those facial details are tiny. I'm not saying it's not a great Hojyo piece, but as far as being the Tanteidan special edition, that's kind of slacking. Shibaraku, Komatsu's Lion, some secret Yoshino or Kawahata works--those are what we're looking for.

Edit: I can't read. I meant halogen, not Merman. Sorry dude.

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Fair enough. I am not a JOAS member nor do I have a subscription to Tanteidan, so I do not know these things

. Not knowing that, it is a great model. Knowing that does not diminish my opinion of its merit at all. It is a great model even though it is a ariation on Icarus, but you make a very good point that something like that would be a dissapoinment for the special edition.

pharmjod · Post by **pharmjod** » April 15th, 2008, 4:24 am

Of course, back to my original question... is this just a guess or do you have a logical reason why you think it will be that model?

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 15th, 2008, 4:30 am

I think tee is right. Here's why...

On Hojyo's website homepage, the latest news is

「金剛力士像」の折り図（完全版）が「日本折紙学会第18期会員特別配付資料」（2008年３月配布）に収録されました

(the first word being a hyperlink to the Vajrapani page)

Which Google translates as:

"金剛力士image" Figure fold (full version) "18th member of the Japanese Society hallmark distribute special materials" (distributed in March 2008) have been recorded

pharmjod · Post by **pharmjod** » April 15th, 2008, 4:34 am

Thats enough for me then. Thanks Jared. I guess its wrong to be disappointed in something like that isn't it? Oh well, it is still an excellent model and I'm not going to complain at all.

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 15th, 2008, 4:44 am

Well, it's still really cool, and I think he may have improved the diagrams since Icarus. Also, there is a significant amount of work to get from the base in Tanteidan 11 to the final figure. It would appear as sort of a letdown, but hey, it's still really neat. Still, General Vajra Basara Taisho or Shibaraku would be so much cooler. I wonder if he is/ever will be finished diagramming Shibaraku...

rdrutel · Post by **rdrutel** » April 15th, 2008, 5:02 am

Jared

....what (<==big what) do you mean by significant? All I see remaining is the face and some molding.

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 15th, 2008, 5:13 am

The face and some molding.

His clothing, all those layers in the back, shaping his legs and arms (i.e. even more stuff exactly like Icarus), and yeah, the head.

I'm sure Hojyo can easily squeeze another 50-100 steps out of that.

rdrutel · Post by **rdrutel** » April 15th, 2008, 5:18 am

50-100...yeah that is true. Like you said though...Icarus stuff. Icarus was 270 and I was still struggling. Many a try and I never got a decent fold.