"Exploring Origami" Documentary

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"Exploring Origami" Documentary

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As I was browsing YouTube yesterday I found this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxsvmJg18c

A search on these forums revealed this thread posted back in 2005: viewtopic.php?t=605

I'm not sure if its old news or not, but I haven't heard about it till now at least. Their website is: http://www.greenfusefilms.com/ . I look forward to its release :). I hope it reaches the public eye and changes some attitudes towards our art, perhaps while adding a few members?
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Think about what said Eric Joisel: If anybody can copy origami-artist, it is not art.
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Well, he didn't specifically say origami artist, but he could have meant that. I thought he might have meant that because the designs can be diagrammed and folded by others (he showed a crease pattern for a violin), most people see origami as not art.

(Warning, rant below)
Its arguable though, wouldn't it be possible for a painter to make directions for their works? I mean, techniques are taught from artist to artist, right? Why haven't they formulated a sort of diagram and a listing of techniques? You could use "paint by numbers" kits as an example, but in origami there are also those printed paper "fold here" models which are more closely related than actual diagrams. Even if there were such a guide, it would take a skilled painter to replicate the original artist. In origami it is no different. There are rips and other botch-ups comparable to smudges, and few times does the outcome match the original artist's work.

I think the reasons people overlook origami are that it is somewhat obscure, and they see it as breaking the mysticism surrounding most forms of art. The latter I find untrue somewhat, I believe it breaks the current mysticism, but then adds a whole new level. I'd dare to say its more developed (or at least developed faster) than most art forms, in part from the origami community's willingness to share their designs and ideas in the last 50 or so years, as well as being aided by the internet more recently. The only limits to their complexity in sight are paper thickness or size, but who knows, we may have future Robert Lang or Satoshi Kamiya-like figures who will produce models with higly realistic hair or feathers (its logical that scales came first from thier "simplicity", but interesting from an evolutionary standpoint as well).
(End rant)

Sorry, I have a tendency to rant at times, but I believe it is still relevant to "Exploring Origami" :P .
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Joisel is known for permanently fighting for his copyrights and pushing to make money with his origami to live of that, which is perfectly right, but doesn't mean his notion of art is correct; anyway, he could had been perfectly taken out of context (it's a one-second part of an interview)

It is an old question, I remember in the spanish forum there was a thread about this. My opinion is the same I gave there and also in the entry about design in my blog.

"Art is a fine dialogging system between humans. Exposing a creation in which has been (deliberately or not) placed a message and a sense, makes the audience to read and translate it into its own coded experience of reality (H. Maturana says the only reality we can be sure is ours, as autopoietic, independent and isolated beings). And one of the most used mechanisms to achieve this dialog is the Representing act, which is the reproduction by a mean (visual, textual, etc) of what can be perceived as real".

Some people has said origami started as a game in Japan came from China, there is no difference in english between playing a game and playing an art. As uruguayan creator Roman Diaz says in his book (Origami for Interpreters), to fold origami from a diagram is like to play following a musical score. At the end, the resulting model can triggers an emotion in the observer. I keep what the girl says in the documentary, origami makes smile and amazement in the childrens, that's enough for me.

I can copy Diaz's introduction (less than half a page) if you like, it's really interesting.
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im allowed to use origami as an art form in my unendorsed gcse art course at school, origami is an art even if you are copying it. according to the rules set down by the exam regulators it is no different than someone copying from a famous painter :D
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I do not know, how to "define" art, I have not right knowledge. but I know something from "real life". Our origami society contributed with some very simple christmas models (stars, trees, fairies, mobiles etc.) at one pre-christmas selling exhibition last fall. People were very disinclined by that models because (how said one madam) "I can do it at home." It is obvious that Czech people view origami as folk entertainment, what can do anybody. This is one sort of the origami - traditional steamboats etc. what can fold really anybody, especially children (someone note children here) and have fun by folding. Contrary to folk entertainment is artistic part of origami what make fun by viewing. And many people still want to copy origami artists. For me, it is the same as trying to copy Michelangelo's David at home. Someone could try it, but not with help of Michelangelo's "diagram", only using finished model. So, if origami author-artist do not want to release any diagram for his/her model, try to respect it and have an enterteinment by viewing his/her creation.

PS Everybody sometimes rants... :wink:
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What an amazing video... I think this is probably the best way to describe origami that I have seen so far
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