Papers

tadashimori · Post by **tadashimori** » August 28th, 2007, 3:17 am

Hi everyone, I'm new here in this forum, and my english is quite bad.

I'm from Brazil and I'd like toknow where can I buy big origami papers, and I'd like to know which paper should I use to do origamis like the Ancient Dragon, Phoenix , etc.. I used a 45 x 45cm (17" x 17") paper, it's possible to make the details, but its hard to make it stay in nice positions.

Also, the paper I used is a one side colored paper, and i wanted a 2 sides coloured paper. Is there any website where I can find those papers and import to Brazil?

GreyGeese · Post by **GreyGeese** » August 28th, 2007, 1:23 pm

I have never seen origami paper that large anywhere. The biggest I have ever seen is 13" square. I would say get something that comes in big sheets (eg wrapping paper) and cut your own squares.

giro · Post by **giro** » August 28th, 2007, 2:03 pm

You can buy from http://handmade-paper.us/

You can make Ancient Dragon from a Mulberry tissue 19" x 25"(http://handmade-paper.us/page/CPO/PROD/tis/20-10-02) and you can finish it with metilcelulosa.

NL3181 · Post by **NL3181** » August 28th, 2007, 3:23 pm

giro wrote:You can buy from http://handmade-paper.us/

You can make Ancient Dragon from a Mulberry tissue 19" x 25"(http://handmade-paper.us/page/CPO/PROD/tis/20-10-02) and you can finish it with metilcelulosa.

Gino,
this Mulberry tissue 19" x 25" measurement is in inches or cm ?

Thank's

GreyGeese · Post by **GreyGeese** » August 28th, 2007, 5:16 pm

NL3181 wrote:
giro wrote:You can buy from http://handmade-paper.us/

You can make Ancient Dragon from a Mulberry tissue 19" x 25"(http://handmade-paper.us/page/CPO/PROD/tis/20-10-02) and you can finish it with metilcelulosa.
Gino,
this Mulberry tissue 19" x 25" measurement is in inches or cm ?

Thank's

The quote sign (") stands for inches.

GreyGeese · Post by **GreyGeese** » August 28th, 2007, 5:26 pm

giro wrote:You can buy from http://handmade-paper.us/

You can make Ancient Dragon from a Mulberry tissue 19" x 25"(http://handmade-paper.us/page/CPO/PROD/tis/20-10-02) and you can finish it with metilcelulosa.

Some of their stuff looks worth trying, but I don't know how to interpret their thickness scale. How many GSM is standard origami paper? (When there are small details combined with a lot of layers, only the very thinnest papers are acceptable.) It is too expensive to buy without being sure of what I am getting.

Post by **origami_8** » August 28th, 2007, 6:40 pm

GSM means grams per square meter. Usual printer paper has 80gsm, tissue paper 20gsm and thick paper for wetfolding like elephant hide around 120gsm.

GreyGeese · Post by **GreyGeese** » August 28th, 2007, 8:49 pm

Thank you. Since tissue paper tears too easily unless bonded to foil, and since printer paper is too thick for those of us who don't wet fold, I should probably be wanting paper in the range of 40-60gsm, correct?

Post by **origami_8** » August 28th, 2007, 10:16 pm

Correct.
Preferably two layers of tissue paper glued together with methyl cellulose

origamimasterjared · August 28th, 2007, 10:19 pm

Well, different papers are made from different fibers. Handmade Kozo and gampi can be as thin as 10 gsm, but are strong. This is due to the strength of the fibers, as well as their length (and being handmade).

Tissue paper is machine-made from really short fibers. Also, usually not acid-free (PH-neutral).

But yeah, 30-50 gsm is probably good.

For practice you can just use commercial storebought origami paper though.

NL3181 · Post by **NL3181** » August 29th, 2007, 6:47 am

is a single sheet of Mulberry tissue strong enough for complex folding ?

giro · Post by **giro** » August 29th, 2007, 8:17 am

I think that yes. Before fold i place mulberry in a glass table and paint with a metilcelulosa. This give more strong to mulberry.

Giro.

islandmassive · Post by **islandmassive** » August 29th, 2007, 1:59 pm

somone just has to register the word "origamis" because there's so many people that use it

GreyGeese · Post by **GreyGeese** » August 29th, 2007, 3:33 pm

NL3181 wrote:is a single sheet of Mulberry tissue strong enough for complex folding ?

I hope so, because it looks like it would make some beautiful models. I would have to practice folding a given model out of cheap paper a lot before using it, though, as it is too expensive for making mistakes!

origamimasterjared · August 29th, 2007, 7:33 pm

Thin papers tend to not fold very well unless treated. The thin papers have very little sizing, which is what not only holds the fibers together (I assume not much is needed for such light fibers), but also allows you to fold it. To get something like mulberry tissue fold-ready, you should probably backcoat it with another piece, or saturate it with methyl-cellulose, and let it dry. You should then be able to fold it dry. It's not that it's not strong enough; it's not crisp enough.

From my limited experience with it, gampi (while very expensive--~$15 a sheet) will fold without adding anything. Still, adding MC later in the folding process can work wonders for thin things like antennae, antlers, insect legs, etc.