Should Eric Joisel's Works Be Diagrammed?

[28lorelei]

I don't even know if diagramming some of the models is possible. Joisel himself said that sometimes even he can't duplicate some of his works. Besides, getting him to diagram his works won't work, because he died from cancer a few years ago, or so the website claims. I wish I had the skill to fold those works though...

[Fold]

@ 28lorelei:

Eric passed away on October 10th, 2010. Please, check your facts carefully

[Dave Brill]

For all those who thirst for crease patterns and diagrams of Eric Joisel’s models, there is no better place to look than the new book from Gallery Origami House, ERIC JOISEL, The Magician of Origami: http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/origina ... oisel.html
This is now also available from Nicolas Terry’s on line shop
http://www.origami-shop.com/en/origami- ... -1380.html
I counted in the book about 40 crease-pattern and analytical diagrams made by Joisel himself, for his own purposes of course, but those skilled in deciphering crease patterns will undoubtedly enjoy this challenge. This book is a very fine souvenir and record of the work of our dear friend, and I really recommend that you invest in a copy.

Remember, too, that Eric Joisel’s website http://www.ericjoisel.com/ps.html is also a good source of information for those keen to reproduce the work: there are 10 sets of diagrams, plus a number of crease patterns and videos.

Another source of Joisel’s diagrams is the BOS publication: 3D Masks and Busts
http://supplies.britishorigami.info/ind ... ucts_id=31

Don’t forget to search http://origamidatabase.com/ for other examples of Joisel’s diagrams: I counted about a dozen diagrams in a variety of publications, many still available.

So… what’s all this about “should Eric Joisel’s work be diagrammed?”… The work has to a large extent been done! I accept that the great masterpieces are not available in diagram form, but the work of drawing full instructions for the majority of these pieces is almost unachievable, I submit. But why would anyone want to do it? Better to admire these great pieces, and accept that few folders - if any - can really obtain a finished version to match Eric’s levels of perfection.

This, it seems to me, separates origami as art from origami as craft: if the work can be reproduced, then it seems in some small way to debase it. I appreciate and admire the best work by the leading exponents of origami, but I don’t feel any need to reproduce it slavishly. The finest work of artists such as Giang Dinh, Akira Yoshizawa, Vicent Floderer, Paul Jackson, Michael LaFosse, Jean-Claude Correia and of course the late lamented Eric Joisel, are really not reproduceable. Let’s just accept that, and appreciate these works with the unique “handwriting” of their creators.

[Pop pop]

i agree with Mr. Brill, Mr. Joisel's works are in his books and website so what ever you see is what you get, no more, no less

[28lorelei]

@Fold: Sorry

[the modern einstein]

I have been studying this topic at length and have noticed that some members have put forward the argument that these models will not last forever, and the memory of his models will be lost in the physical form (except for photos). Well I have been thinking about this, and even though I have no direct opinion on wether these fantastic works of art be diagrammed or not, I have been studying the problem of his legacy of works dying out.
So problem solved: you don't have to diagram or reverse engineer these to get a crease pattern to preserve these models, but why not bronze cast them? Or if this is not an option, one could get a modeller using some other medium, say pottery, or clay to make a copy of the works, so there is no reverse engineering, but we have some physical record other than photographs to go by as we remember this great artist who contributed so much to the world of origami. /
So please could everyone here stop arguing wether we should diagram these or not, but see how we ourselves can continue his legacy in all ways possible, not just diagramming them (which might be impossible anyhow). you're all just bashing your heads against other peoples brick walls (their points in the arguments) which is pointless, so I recommend that no-one contribute anymore to the flame wars that are going on throughout this topic about diagramming his models or not and start a new topic on ways to remember this great man.

[akugami]

there are some good news for the friends of master joisels diagrammed work - nicolas terry sells a new book with a summary of known instructions (dragon, dwarf, cat, ...). nothing really new but probably worth to have - i've ordered my issue today. thanks to the french origami friends and to nicolas for this nice publication!
here's a link to the description: http://www.origami-shop.com/en/origami- ... -1622.html