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fncll
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Other beginners here?
I've been reading through many fascinating threads here, but am curious: are there other beginners here? Anyone interested in any kind of beginners' discussion and possibly some semi-organized activity?
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Razzmatazz
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FlowerGami
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Beginner/intermediate
I know a little more than beginner, closing in on intermediate. Its kind of hard to get started here, and there are rules I'm learning about, but I think I'll try to stick to it, because I genuinely want to learn and hope this is a place that will welcome us newcomers (flaws and all).
Something I find frustrating, as a beginner/inermediatis is, I have so many questions and am afraid of asking, now especially. For example, I just got a cool diagram of a 3D dragon, it comes with paper and everything, but its written in Korean, and I find a lot of diagrams are written in Korean or Japanese like one I'm recently trying to work on, and there is always a part where I get stuck on and I don't know who to ask, so I know how frustrating being a beginner can be. I'd be totally interested in a beginners' discussion.
Something I find frustrating, as a beginner/inermediatis is, I have so many questions and am afraid of asking, now especially. For example, I just got a cool diagram of a 3D dragon, it comes with paper and everything, but its written in Korean, and I find a lot of diagrams are written in Korean or Japanese like one I'm recently trying to work on, and there is always a part where I get stuck on and I don't know who to ask, so I know how frustrating being a beginner can be. I'd be totally interested in a beginners' discussion.
Please, if you have any sort of troubles with a model, ask away in the Diagrams & Crease Patterns section. It doesn't matter if it's a simple, "stupid," or beginner question, this isn't a forum for origami elitists. Don't be afraid of asking anything; asking questions not only indicates that you want to learn, it can help other people who are afraid of asking, and it'll only make you a better folder, never worse.
Sorry, I have to put the instructor in me back in his box, he gets loose every now and then...
Sorry, I have to put the instructor in me back in his box, he gets loose every now and then...
Re: Beginner/intermediate
FlowerGami, if you wish to avoid getting in trouble in the future, here is what you should do:
(a) search for the model, if the thread solves your problem then awesome, if that thread doesn't exist goto c, else goto b.
(b) post on that thread your question and wait for a reply.
(c) create one thread to post your question (with a descriptive title) and wait for a reply.
It is common for newbies to get welcomed with a swift kick to the rump, not to worry as soon as you stop breaking rules (and there are NOT many rules) all will be well and you'll enjoy the forum. Welcome.
I like your idea of having a shared beginners/intermediate folding thread where we have a shared project that we work on. Unfortunately folders like us are in the minority, most of the folders here are interested only in super-complex folds. And the total number of active posters here is pretty small, and most that post just do so to share pics and are not interested in discussion beyond that.
Perhaps when the weather gets colder and people have to be indoors more the threads will pick up.
(a) search for the model, if the thread solves your problem then awesome, if that thread doesn't exist goto c, else goto b.
(b) post on that thread your question and wait for a reply.
(c) create one thread to post your question (with a descriptive title) and wait for a reply.
It is common for newbies to get welcomed with a swift kick to the rump, not to worry as soon as you stop breaking rules (and there are NOT many rules) all will be well and you'll enjoy the forum. Welcome.
I like your idea of having a shared beginners/intermediate folding thread where we have a shared project that we work on. Unfortunately folders like us are in the minority, most of the folders here are interested only in super-complex folds. And the total number of active posters here is pretty small, and most that post just do so to share pics and are not interested in discussion beyond that.
Perhaps when the weather gets colder and people have to be indoors more the threads will pick up.
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Razzmatazz
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I believe there is 3 keys to origami.
To understand diagrams properly;
Understand the PICTURES. NOT the words. The words are fine sometimes but if you know what the picture is showing then you cna do it without words.
To understand pictures properly;
Understand the FOLDS. If you understand all the folds you can do with paper (there are many so you won't memorize every single one as there are millions of ways to fold a piece of paper) then you can understand what the pictures are showing.
To understand folds properly;
Understand AT LEAST SOME of the math used in Origami. Mostly the basics, but advanced math in origami is great to learn.
also the post script key to origami is:
Fold as NEAT as possible. As in PERFECT!
To understand diagrams properly;
Understand the PICTURES. NOT the words. The words are fine sometimes but if you know what the picture is showing then you cna do it without words.
To understand pictures properly;
Understand the FOLDS. If you understand all the folds you can do with paper (there are many so you won't memorize every single one as there are millions of ways to fold a piece of paper) then you can understand what the pictures are showing.
To understand folds properly;
Understand AT LEAST SOME of the math used in Origami. Mostly the basics, but advanced math in origami is great to learn.
also the post script key to origami is:
Fold as NEAT as possible. As in PERFECT!
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strangeseraph
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I disagree with some of the statements -
1. "most of the folders here are interested only in super-complex folds" ... Many of the "active-posting" folders are interested in super-complex... However, many of the Origami leaders are members of this Forum, giving occasionally and generously to help the rest of us improve our Origami technique and arts. So, after you do some research, then ask your question. One answer may be a blunt suggestion for how to do more research... but it'll be forgotten and forgiven, immediately after posting.
However, sometimes a clear, new question may be rewarded by being answered by the author of the model...
2. Elitist... Few of the folders are seriously or consciously elitist. I believe that the age of folders ranges from ~ 8 yo to 80 yo, so you get a wide range of social skills and netiquette (and people who remember that word). Again, the emotion is usually forgotten upon posting... if the poster was even aware of a potential insult.
Having said that, I am elitist about Texas. If you are not from Texas, or do not live here, then I will refuse to recognize you as a Texan
(And no, we do not fold bigger models in Texas.)
- Hank Simon
-1. "most of the folders here are interested only in super-complex folds" ... Many of the "active-posting" folders are interested in super-complex... However, many of the Origami leaders are members of this Forum, giving occasionally and generously to help the rest of us improve our Origami technique and arts. So, after you do some research, then ask your question. One answer may be a blunt suggestion for how to do more research... but it'll be forgotten and forgiven, immediately after posting.
However, sometimes a clear, new question may be rewarded by being answered by the author of the model...
2. Elitist... Few of the folders are seriously or consciously elitist. I believe that the age of folders ranges from ~ 8 yo to 80 yo, so you get a wide range of social skills and netiquette (and people who remember that word). Again, the emotion is usually forgotten upon posting... if the poster was even aware of a potential insult.
Having said that, I am elitist about Texas. If you are not from Texas, or do not live here, then I will refuse to recognize you as a Texan
(And no, we do not fold bigger models in Texas.)
- Hank Simon
Hank, I don't think the question is that of are there people willing to help? but do you feel like you belong? If you fold stuff not much harder than a crane, and the most active thread is Satoshi Kamiya's Ancient Dragon then you won't feel like you belong. When I see the posters above saying that they need a beginner's discussion, I'm thinking YES, because there is no sense of camaraderie for beginning and intermediate folders right now, but a dedicated thread or even a better, a room for beginning and intermediate origami would change that.
Altho I was being facetious above, I think it is more perception and fear, rather than reality. I was an intermediate folder (maybe I still am?) when I joined the forum, and found that people were willing to answer some of my simple questions... even some that were clearly answered in Lang's ODS.
Some of the answers to my question had attitude attached... but that was due to the person rather than the question.
There's more traffic for the complex folds, because there is more to consider. However, some posts, such as Joisel's Dwarf, I believe resulted in guidance that makes this CP model accessible to most of us.
For that reason, I'd encourage folks to continue posting beginner/intermediate questions ( a continuing, dedicated thread) where everyone will see them, so that we also benefit from curious and helpful experts....
- Hank Simon
Some of the answers to my question had attitude attached... but that was due to the person rather than the question.
There's more traffic for the complex folds, because there is more to consider. However, some posts, such as Joisel's Dwarf, I believe resulted in guidance that makes this CP model accessible to most of us.
For that reason, I'd encourage folks to continue posting beginner/intermediate questions ( a continuing, dedicated thread) where everyone will see them, so that we also benefit from curious and helpful experts....
- Hank Simon
No I get what you're saying and there is defn. a need for getting help from more advanced folders (which this forum gives you), but that doesn't help with what I'm talking about.
Let me put it this way: students in a class have profs and TAs to rely on for help if they need it (well by office hours but you know) but they also like to work together on homework to figure out together as equals. Which do you think they do more of? And which is more helpful to them in the long run?
There is a need for help from those more advanced from you, but there is also a need for a meeting between equals. This forum needs both. This forum doesn't have both. This is what the OP was asking for.
Let me put it this way: students in a class have profs and TAs to rely on for help if they need it (well by office hours but you know) but they also like to work together on homework to figure out together as equals. Which do you think they do more of? And which is more helpful to them in the long run?
There is a need for help from those more advanced from you, but there is also a need for a meeting between equals. This forum needs both. This forum doesn't have both. This is what the OP was asking for.
