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Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 1:45 am
by Gerardo
Which of the following pleat fold diagrams (A, B, C, & D) are correct? Thanks

Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 2:22 am
by orislater
hmmm all of them and everyone will understand what it means no matter which one you choose? (:
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 8:50 am
by joshuaorigami
Aren't they all pretty much the same? They're all correct.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 10:47 am
by Washi
They are the same and all are correct.
Unless my eyes are tricking me the only difference I can perceive is a very slight difference in thickness.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 1:31 pm
by Falcifer
I think they are all as correct as each other. I don't know if either crease line needs to be thicker than the other, and the arrow doesn't need to be aligned with the creases.
Ultimately, I would say that as long as the intent is clear, then use any method you like. There doesn't seem to be any real consistency among diagrammers except for the use of the zig-zag arrow.
As far as I understand, the arrow isn't necessarily a direction itself, but purely a symbol that indicates what to do, and the shape of the arrow shows how the edges of the paper will look after being pleated. So, if the pleat is not so straight-forward, don't forget to indicate how the layers should look.
Personally, I would prefer A, only because the zig-zag is inside the crease lines, and is less likely to obscure the lines and also be obscured itself.
Also, make sure that you're consistent throughout your own diagrams.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 2:13 pm
by Joe the white
I prefer A, but I think it'd be better if the zig-zag follows the folds, like this:

Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 3:22 pm
by Brimstone
Joe the white wrote:I prefer A, but I think it'd be better if the zig-zag follows the folds, like this:

I would have never thought there would be another 4 ways to draw that step, he he.
Joe is right.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 4:41 pm
by Gerardo
It amazes me how sometimes when I don't get much feedback in the Spanish forum I do get it here, and vice versa

! Thanks guys, that has been really helpful!
Joe the white wrote:I prefer A, but I think it'd be better if the zig-zag follows the folds...
That was gonna be my next question, how do I know if the arrow should go up or go down? You say it should follow the folds but doesn't that depend on the angle by which I'm looking at the piece of paper (top or bottom)?
Know what I mean

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Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 4:43 pm
by Washi
It doesn't matter at all actually. Look at A-D and Joe's picture and you'll notice they technically mean the same.
Of course whether the diagrammer does that, it's really their preference.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 6:27 pm
by Joe the white
Thats true. It'd depend on the next step. Usually I fold from diagrams where it shows the layers at the top, so to me it makes sense that way. Such as this:

Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 14th, 2011, 9:07 pm
by Gerardo
Joe the white wrote:Thats true. It'd depend on the next step. Usually I fold from diagrams where it shows the layers at the top, so to me it makes sense that way.
Excellent answer! Thanks Joe

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Does anyone have a different opinion about my question? I would really like to know

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Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 15th, 2011, 12:17 am
by origami_8
I'd draw it like this:

Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 16th, 2011, 1:43 am
by LeafPiece
Everyone has their own way of doing things. As long as it makes sense and you're consistent within your own diagrams, I don't think you'll have any problems.
Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 17th, 2011, 1:01 am
by Gerardo
Thanks! I learned a lot from your feedback

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Re: Diagraming symbol question
Posted: May 18th, 2011, 4:16 am
by ahudson
origami_8 wrote:I'd draw it like this:

Well, the zig-zag pleat arrow seems to be a combination of a normal fold arrow, and a side-view schematic like those we see in a multi-layer crimp. Makes me wonder, why don't we use this sort of modified arrow for the other situations as well? This would reduce the number of lines cluttering the page, although I'd worry about it being readable.
Or on the other hand, as Anna suggests, could we reduce this sort of operation to a simple arrow, and add on the zig-zag schematic only as required when the layer arrangement is not obvious? I think in the case of a simple pleat, more detail is entirely unnecessary. I'm not trying to suggest a universal policy, as I suspect it all boils down to what provides the most clarity in individual cases, but it's interesting to think about.