Any Pangolin

bethnor · Post by **bethnor** » October 15th, 2010, 12:09 am

some times things are lost in the translation... that is to say, certain things come across certain ways on this board as english is not everyone's primary language.

there is NOTHING wrong with reverse engineering anyone's model. more than that might be touchy depending.

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 15th, 2010, 12:52 am

Sorry, yeah, I'm American, I had a brainfart. That's all

gachepapier · Post by **gachepapier** » October 15th, 2010, 7:46 am

garrasdecaiman wrote:Was Mr. Joisel really saddened when he saw a missfolded cartoon rat, I would like to believe he wasn't, I would have thought he was happy that his models gave pleasure to so many folders.

Yes, he was really saddened when he saw a botched rat or dwarf. He shared them in the hope that people would respect them. That means that if you folded paper to reach a result which looks like something the dog ate, he expected you'd be kind enough not to post it with his name under it or even to gloat about how great your model looked. This was a personal view of his, but as Anna also pointed out, it probably could harm him professionally.

The things he published were simple enough to be mastered with some dedication and more often than not a few trials really do wonders. He did take pleasure in seeing that people cared enough about his models ("his children" as he referred to them) to take the time and get them right. He didn't expect everyone to be able to give such a folding the spark of life but he did expect that one would really try.

You might also note that none of his diagrams were detailed to the point that you could copy him without thinking and hope to have the same model. This was not only a matter of difficulty in drawing such a diagram, it was a conscious choice, he wanted the folder to think about the folding process, which, incidentally is how he reached his skills, painstakingly studying Yoshizawa's work.

Please respect both the man and the folder.

garrasdecaiman · Post by **garrasdecaiman** » October 15th, 2010, 4:44 pm

Well to bad out of respect I will not fold his models anymore.
maybe david brill does not have such high standards for reproduction of his work.

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HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 15th, 2010, 5:16 pm

However, that does NOT mean you should stop folding his work. It more suggests that people should be more careful about posting "works-in-progress," as being a finished model.... Nothing wrong with practice.

But practice enough to make a respectable model, which you can then display and post with pride, honoring your progress and the original designer.

(I don't always practice what I preach... for all models

- Hank Simon

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 16th, 2010, 3:49 am

Ok, another brainfart: So you recommend that when it's done, the most I publish is pictures of the final part?

gachepapier · Post by **gachepapier** » October 16th, 2010, 6:33 am

Lephantome92 wrote:Ok, another brainfart: So you recommend that when it's done, the most I publish is pictures of the final part?

It's no brainfart, it's a legitimate question in view of what's been said above

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I'd think it kind of you to publish anything you like of yours which is original on one hand and only results of what is reverse-engineered on the other hand. Of course, the limit between the two may be blurry

- in any case, the call is yours, obviously

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HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 16th, 2010, 6:42 pm

And to continue to confuse the issue.... if you're proud of the result, you may want to save the CP/Diagrams for the Christmas book.

- Hank Simon

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 17th, 2010, 5:12 pm

HankSimon wrote:And to continue to confuse the issue.... if you're proud of the result, you may want to save the CP/Diagrams for the Christmas book.

- Hank Simon

Haha I was planning on that, cuz I need like 4 models to donate to have the full collection. Well, I lost the one, so 5. I have 2 (soon 3 with the pangolin) completed already.

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 23rd, 2010, 2:39 am

False alarm!! Found the book I thought I lost!!

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 23rd, 2010, 3:05 am

Also, does anyone know how I can get in contact with Joisel's family when I finish my design? I feel it only right to contact them first. It is my own model, but I just want to make sure they don't take any sort of copyright law against it. Copyright issues would sadden me greatly.

ahudson · Post by **ahudson** » October 23rd, 2010, 6:56 am

garrasdecaiman wrote: I do not condone reverse engineering, pirated diagrams, photodiagrams and pictures of folded models are just on the end of my line.
Eaven written explanations are a bit blurry to my taste.
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Reverse-engineering is completely legal. There is no question about that. Making diagrams is also legal; it's distributing the diagrams that might violate copyright law.

And if I'm understanding the copyright laws correctly, then distributing the diagrams might also be alright, as long as you hadn't used copyrighted material as a reference (most Flickr photos are posted under a creative commons license, btw)

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 23rd, 2010, 7:50 pm

Also, you might mention that your model is Not Joisel's model, but was inspired by his model. I don't think you had any intention of trying to reproduce the quality the Eric put into his model... You were using it, as well as his suggestions, as an example to create your own pangolin... which only approaches Eric's perfect art.

- Hank Simon

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 25th, 2010, 9:30 pm

Pangolin 2.0 just about done, just need to wetfold it. Pics tomorrow!!

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 26th, 2010, 11:43 pm

Pangolin v2:

[img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 8528_n.jpg[/img]
It's hard to tell, but the long end somehow became the head, the shorter the tail. This is just a baby one to help me plan for the full-sized model. I also want to scoot the legs forward just a tad.
@HankSimon I used your method to give it volume. It worked very well. Thanks for telling me!!