looking for new project

blindfolded · Post by **blindfolded** » July 21st, 2010, 5:04 am

I am looking for the next bug to fold, I like insects in origami, as well as dragons, but I am not ready yet for dragons. The last "insect" i folded was the praying mantis from Robert j lang. It took me a few try's to get the new folds down, but I've done it. What would be a next logical step for me? I own no books as of yet, I can't read them so I prefer on line diagrams.

philipinorigami101 · Post by **philipinorigami101** » July 21st, 2010, 5:11 am

what about human models? take examples from gilad's page: http://www.giladorigami.com/PG_People.html

blindfolded · Post by **blindfolded** » July 21st, 2010, 5:40 am

I love human models, I have made The last Waltz. Do you know where I can get on line diagrams for Nureyev & Fonteyn or Yehudi Menuhin (the violin player). I hate to spent money and being able to read them. I need on line diagrams so my text to speech program can read it to me.

bethnor · Post by **bethnor** » July 21st, 2010, 3:16 pm

it sounds like your options are very limited. at the same time, i really feel this is a "boon" time for free diagrams, as there are lots of great models available on line for free now.

it sounds to me as if you got the diagrams for lang's praying mantis from alex barber's website. just go through there to see if there are any other models you like. in all frankness, if you can successfully fold lang's praying mantis without ripping it, you can fold anything.

if you love origami insects, then you're screwed, as your best options are going to be origami insects and their kin by robert lang, and origami house's origami insects I & II.

if you are willing to move on to dragons, most of which are going to be simpler than insects, there are a lot of nice dragons available on-line now, which include:

kade chen's fiery dragon (probably the most complex)
charles esseltine's flying dragon
fernando gilgado gomez's dragon (he has multiple versions, most of them using the same base)
jose anibal voyer's three headed dragon (which uses basically the same base that is used for nearly all the three headed dragons which exist in origami)

if you like dinosaurs, my favorite "free" origami is shuki kato's amazing spinosaurus. i'm not sure if your text-to-audio program will be able to read the text in this *.pdf though, it's quite faded.

as for neal elias works, sadly, his most accessible book is no longer available, from what i gather (one had to purchase it from the BOS). he has many other books, but, having paged through them, they are more like "note books," and are not really legible that way (the diagrams are very difficult to follow). i do believe one of his nureyev and fontayne diagrams has been published in the tanteidan.

andssl · Post by **andssl** » July 21st, 2010, 3:17 pm

There is no online diagrams for this model and, if there, it is an infrigment of copyright law.

blindfolded · Post by **blindfolded** » July 21st, 2010, 7:08 pm

Hi bethnor
thanks for the help.
i found a few diagrams through the link philipinorigami101 gave in his post, there are some nice ones on the that site. About the insects, I kinda figured I was going to need to get those books. Maybe I will and see if scanning them in and tinkering around with them will help.

Dragons are great to, I've made the fiery dragon and Wu's oriental dragon. Thanks to some help from a few great You-Tube folders haha. I've looked at the three headed dragon and the diagrams look hard, so a nice challenge there.

Are there sites that let you pay for diagrams which you can download then?

bethnor · Post by **bethnor** » July 21st, 2010, 7:18 pm

re: origami insects and their kin, it is only ~ $10.

also, you could try contacting dr. robert lang. he may be very sympathetic to your problem, and be willing to find a way to sell you a *.pdf version.

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » July 21st, 2010, 8:03 pm

Marc Kirschenbaum has some downloadable PDFs you can purchase. A lot of them do have free versions on Origami.com, but he has some really cool stuff there that isn't available online elsewhere. Everything below the three books in the middle is not available online anywhere else. (There may be illegible handdrawn ones, but not these good ones)

Here's his store: http://stores.lulu.com/marckrsh

How do you do complex origami blind? I would think reference points would make it kind of difficult.

Man, you'd hate my diagrams…I don't use any words… It would probably read 1…2……32 Closed sink……70 Finished!

blindfolded · Post by **blindfolded** » July 21st, 2010, 9:00 pm

Hi bethnor,
I've did that, and he told me about the phone origami thing from BOS. I did not ask him about pdf's though, never ever acured to me. Then agian, if his book is only ten dollars I think I might give it a go.

Hi origamimasterjared,
thanks for the link, I will go check that out for sure.
Complex origami is hard, my text to speech will read just the text, but NVDA has a plug in that will explain pictures, and photoshop has a feature that let's me put ancor points in a picture and I can find that again by scrolling over it. it beeps at me at certain points, that way I know how the model looks. With a special program, I can add those points to several pictures, so all the edges are set with beeps, so when I scroll, I will hear them and know where I am. But the harder the model the harder it gets, the praying mantis drove me insane after a while. There's a fold where you need to reposition two points. After a few dozen tries I found a you tube video of some one folding it, so my wife could see it and explain. Also NVDA will let me pauze a video and explain the shot. it helps a lot. It stands for none visiual desktop ap. But between the programs I use and the things I've learned since starting origami I did make some cool models.