Hi everyone!
Can anyone help me with Fernando Gilgado's Knight?
It's from the book 'Papiroflexia Magica'. I've been folding it and can't figure out how to do step 36. The coment on the step says ''sacar el papel'' ( 'pull the paper out', or something ). I can't see how it's supposed to be done. It seems to go out smooth, but anything I try makes it go crumpy.
Has anyone tried this model yet?
Fernando Gilgado - Knight
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I haven't folded this model so my advice is just from looking at the diagram.
At the end of step 35, the helmet area is a triangle of several layers. Step 36 tells you to "slip" the paper layers that are beneath the one shown on the image, until those layers become completely vertical. It doesn't seem difficult, keep trying and you'll make it.
At the end of step 35, the helmet area is a triangle of several layers. Step 36 tells you to "slip" the paper layers that are beneath the one shown on the image, until those layers become completely vertical. It doesn't seem difficult, keep trying and you'll make it.
I just folded a quick version, and that step is an unsink, which can be tricky since there's nothing to grab onto to help pull the paper out.
You could try opening the flap, even reversing the fold slightly, in order to get a better grasp of the paper inside. And pulling the "shoulder" slightly, might help.
As for the paper looking smooth in the diagrams and photos, don't let that fool you; they'll always look better than the finished model. It's more likely that the paper WILL be slightly crumpled, because it needs to have the paper being rolled, rather than simply folded.
However, the more experience you have with unsinks, and depending on the paper and the depth of the unsink, you should be able to minimize the amount of crumpling involved.
As Brimstone says, keep trying (possibly on copy paper) and you'll get it.
You could try opening the flap, even reversing the fold slightly, in order to get a better grasp of the paper inside. And pulling the "shoulder" slightly, might help.
As for the paper looking smooth in the diagrams and photos, don't let that fool you; they'll always look better than the finished model. It's more likely that the paper WILL be slightly crumpled, because it needs to have the paper being rolled, rather than simply folded.
However, the more experience you have with unsinks, and depending on the paper and the depth of the unsink, you should be able to minimize the amount of crumpling involved.
As Brimstone says, keep trying (possibly on copy paper) and you'll get it.
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Thanks for the replies.
Falcifer, did you have to undo step 35 ( the crimp on the neck ) or steps 31/32 ( arms) to do the unsink ? The way I look at it, it's geometrically impossible to do it without unsinking all the way down to the leg or ripping the paper =/
Something's missing...
Oh! Also, the two lines that appeared on the head from step 36 to 37... are they creases or end-of-the-layer lines? It seems they are creases, but I'm starting to doubt.
Falcifer, did you have to undo step 35 ( the crimp on the neck ) or steps 31/32 ( arms) to do the unsink ? The way I look at it, it's geometrically impossible to do it without unsinking all the way down to the leg or ripping the paper =/
Something's missing...
Oh! Also, the two lines that appeared on the head from step 36 to 37... are they creases or end-of-the-layer lines? It seems they are creases, but I'm starting to doubt.
I don't know if I HAD to, but I definitely did undo steps 34 and 35; it helps. I didn't go as far as unfolding steps 31/32, though.
I know what you mean, though. I had to sort of squeeze some paper down and out of the way to get something matching the diagrams. It's not tidy, but it works.
If you can unsink more paper than you need, just tuck the excess away. If you look towards the end of the diagrams, most of the head is shaped anyway, so as long as you have enough for that, you should be good. Though, the crimping of the head might be more difficult.
I think the lines you mentioned might just be for reference than anything else.
If you can wait, though, I'll fold the model with some larger paper and see if I can find a better way of doing the steps and I'll take some pictures. But it probably won't be for a few hours, because it's in the early hours of the morning here and I'm currently diagramming a model...
I know what you mean, though. I had to sort of squeeze some paper down and out of the way to get something matching the diagrams. It's not tidy, but it works.
If you can unsink more paper than you need, just tuck the excess away. If you look towards the end of the diagrams, most of the head is shaped anyway, so as long as you have enough for that, you should be good. Though, the crimping of the head might be more difficult.
I think the lines you mentioned might just be for reference than anything else.
If you can wait, though, I'll fold the model with some larger paper and see if I can find a better way of doing the steps and I'll take some pictures. But it probably won't be for a few hours, because it's in the early hours of the morning here and I'm currently diagramming a model...
Okay, so I folded it again with some copy paper.
You can see a photo, with some notes (hover over the photos and the different squares to read the info), here.
Let me know if the link doesn't work - the photo is private, but hopefully this works.
EDIT: I just logged out of Flickr and Yahoo and it works okay for me.
And to see the larger size photo, click on the magnifying glass above the photo, then click on "View all sizes" in the top right of the page. Then choose "original". It may help to get a better idea of what's going on.
I undid the crimp in the neck, and skipped steps 33 and 34. In fact, skipping step 35 might work, too, but it at least gives you a landmark for the creases I made.
I essentially opened the flap up (all the way down the leg), pulled out as much paper as I could, without tearing anything, and the proceeded to form the creases, mostly based on the diagrams.
I tried to form a vertical crease starting from where the higher neck crimp is. Once it reached the center (valley) crease, I reversed the center crease and tried to flatten the model. It led to what's in the photos.
You might also note that the top photos (before the step) are of the right-hand side, but the bottom photos (after the step) are of the left-hand side. This is due to the fact that the RHS is not quote as neat as the LHS. Hopefully it's not too confusing. But is does go to show that with some practice, it can be done.
Also, the diagrams show two pairs of arrows, suggesting that this should be done on the rear side, too, but I don't know how necessary that is. It would definitely be harder due to the fact that the arms lock the flap down so that it can't be opened so far.
Anyway, hope the photos help. Oh, and maybe it's the paper that you're using that is part of the problem, too. I used copy paper, which isn't great, but I can imagine that using tissue-foil would be near-impossible...
You can see a photo, with some notes (hover over the photos and the different squares to read the info), here.
Let me know if the link doesn't work - the photo is private, but hopefully this works.
EDIT: I just logged out of Flickr and Yahoo and it works okay for me.
And to see the larger size photo, click on the magnifying glass above the photo, then click on "View all sizes" in the top right of the page. Then choose "original". It may help to get a better idea of what's going on.
I undid the crimp in the neck, and skipped steps 33 and 34. In fact, skipping step 35 might work, too, but it at least gives you a landmark for the creases I made.
I essentially opened the flap up (all the way down the leg), pulled out as much paper as I could, without tearing anything, and the proceeded to form the creases, mostly based on the diagrams.
I tried to form a vertical crease starting from where the higher neck crimp is. Once it reached the center (valley) crease, I reversed the center crease and tried to flatten the model. It led to what's in the photos.
You might also note that the top photos (before the step) are of the right-hand side, but the bottom photos (after the step) are of the left-hand side. This is due to the fact that the RHS is not quote as neat as the LHS. Hopefully it's not too confusing. But is does go to show that with some practice, it can be done.
Also, the diagrams show two pairs of arrows, suggesting that this should be done on the rear side, too, but I don't know how necessary that is. It would definitely be harder due to the fact that the arms lock the flap down so that it can't be opened so far.
Anyway, hope the photos help. Oh, and maybe it's the paper that you're using that is part of the problem, too. I used copy paper, which isn't great, but I can imagine that using tissue-foil would be near-impossible...
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Took longer than expected to upload, but here it is, as promised!
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