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So, it seems the BOS Spring Convention is happening on 27-29 March in Nottingham:
http://www.britishorigami.info/society/ ... ondata.php

I checked the dates, and I think I can make it - which would be my second convention. The first one was the 40th Anniversary Convention in Autumn 2007, so it's about time I squeezed in another one. I definitely had a great time then.

Here's the big question: Who's coming?

I've also been contemplating teaching a model at the convention. I guess I have had some practice with teaching at the Oxford Origami Society and my YouTube videos. Not sure yet whether I should, though, and if so, which model.

I think I might be able to get permission from Toshikazu Kawasaki for maybe teaching his "new" rose, although I'm not sure what the maximum length for sessions is. When contacting Kawasaki-san last, I got the impression that he did not trust the internet, but was open to me teaching others his models offline. [I'd still have to ask him explicitly for permission to teach at the convention.]
I've also recently tried to fold Phu Tran's version of Kawasaki-san's "new" rose, but I don't think I've refined the folding process enough yet to teach it. I might have to give it another couple of tries, because it is a beautiful rose. [I should be able to contact Phu Tran, as far as I can see he's an active member at this forum.]
And, of course, there are many other designers who have superb designs. Many have supported me greatly, and I can see myself teaching one of their creations. I was wondering, though, whether this was a chance to present work that I cannot present online.
Thoughts on this?

-- Sara

The BOS 40th was my first convention too, and i got to meet Dr Robert Lang!
I think that teaching a rose model at the convention is a good idea. the BOS is not at the level of the Tanteidan (no offence) and i know a lot of people find it difficult to make them, espcially since they are 3d. Some people may be put off by the diagrams, so a demonstation might be what a lot of people are waiting for.
Unfortunetly I won't be able to attend this convention, but hopefully I'll make it to the autumn one.

DO NOT TEACH PHU'S ROSE.

Sorry Sara, but if Mike Sanders, a friend of Phu's, is not allowed to teach it anymore, then you won't be either. Phu specifically taught Mike three[?] versions, in great detail so that he could teach it properly himself. If you have not been taught directly by Phu or Mike (or someone else taught directly by them) you are not making a correct/sanctioned Phu Tran's [Kawasaki] Rose.

We won't get into it here, but as a result of a huge spectacle, Phu's rose is now off-limits. Mike has even stopped teaching the rose, at the request of Phu.

Good luck with whatever you do, but yeah, just a warning.

--Jared

Sara:
Really happy to hear of your contemplating teaching at the BOS convention! It's a win/win situation for you and BOS ! Long overdue...
Regarding choice of models to do, the Kawasaki & Phu Tran roses are always appreciated by folders. There are some roadblocks of creator sensitivities, and permissions, to overcome , of course. Also, the Phu Tran rose requires a fair amount of practice in final sculpting to look its' best.
I hope that your inquiry brings an invitation from any number of creators who cannot attend the convention,but would like to share their models with an appreciative audience, with you as their proxy.
You might even wish to contact designers, though I know that time is short .
You've certainly proven yourself to be a meticulous teacher as well as having great respect for extraordinary designs.
Regarding models, here are my ( by no means exhaustive or complete) top o' the head arbitrary suggestions:
Roman Diaz-Buho( owl) and fox
Seiji Nishikawa- Rabbit-Kangaroo
Won Park- dollar koi ( duh !)
Jun Maekawa- devil ( double duh ! )
Michael Lafosse- snapping turtle-squirrel
Robert Lang- owl-rabbit
Bernie Peyton-owlet
Hsi-Hua Liu- everything ...
Jassu - Maple Leaf ( triple duh !) rabbit
Seo Won Seon & Lee In Kyung (redpaper & whitepaper)-Tortoise-horse
Quentin Trollip- anything( keeps getting better & better)
Polish origami group- crimson-headed lizard( Arthur Biernacki et al )
David LLanque- Burrito Sabernero
Renee Mollo- burrito valiente- dwarfs

There are many, many more of course. No offense intended to anyone.
I wish you luck and immense satisfaction at the convention !

I may be coming, depending on my rota. If I'm there, I'll teach something, be it formally, or in the bar afterwards.

PS: Oxford was my first student stomping grounds. If you lot buy me a drink, I'd be up for teaching at one of your meetings.

PPS: So long as it isn't at Wadham College, as I think I'm still banned for an incident when I was very, very drunk.

Sara -

It might be interesting to teach Dreaming Dog by Giang Dinh. It requires less technical folding and much more complex technique, which I believe your teaching methods would help. And, if you have time, show how to create Dreaming Cat... and compare to similar models by Bernie Peyton and Saadya Sternberg. They have complementary styles that appear to be one evolutionary direction of Origami.

- Hank Simon

I've got a couple models in the convention book! But I won't be there, Nottingham is a little too far

Thanks for all the suggestions for models to teach. I fear most of them I don't know. Are there online diagrams available for them? I checked "Dreaming Dog" by Giang Dinh, but it seems diagrams are only in the OUSA Convention Book 2007.
Another problem is that most of my books are in England, and I'm in Germany until the beginning of March. So the only books I can access right now are "Brilliant Origami" (Dave Brill), "Origami Design Secrets" (Robert Lang), "Origami Tessellations" (Eric Gjerde), and "Ornamental Origami" (Meenakshi Mukerji). Re the last title: and I'm not going to teach a modular piece. Others are just much better at it than me (and enjoy it more, too).

Also, it depends a bit on how easy the designers are to reach. So I guess picking a model is a bit restricted. I'll try to find diagrams in the coming week for the suggested models. My guess is, though, that most won't be available online.

Keeping my fingers crossed and my mind open to suggestions,

-- Sara

I'll be in Nottingham and will look out for your class. You have a way of making the inaccessible accessible and for that, I thank you.

For what its worth guys, you aren't violating anyones' copywrite by teaching their model in the United States. Don't know about the UK.

Copyright, no. But good will, possibly. If the instructions (diagrams) are publicly available (i.e. in books or on the internet), or if it's something you learned in a class, you can assume you're in good hands. But if you are teaching from a CP, reverse-engineering, or private copy (such as one given to you directly by the author which he has asked that you keep to yourself), you may want to think thrice about teaching to others.

Asking can't hurt. Unless you ask someone who really doesn't want you to...In which case it's still better than incur the wrath later.

I submitted the diagrams of my Common Raven to their convention book.

Quentin

origamimasterjared wrote:Copyright, no. But good will, possibly. If the instructions (diagrams) are publicly available (i.e. in books or on the internet), or if it's something you learned in a class, you can assume you're in good hands. But if you are teaching from a CP, reverse-engineering, or private copy (such as one given to you directly by the author which he has asked that you keep to yourself), you may want to think thrice about teaching to others.

Asking can't hurt. Unless you ask someone who really doesn't want you to...In which case it's still better than incur the wrath later.

Actually, if you based it on a CP I'm not at all certian the copywrite is even enforceable (unless you duplicate and sell it), but a court would have to decide that. People who would refuse to have their designs taught suck, and aren't being very smart. They restrict the free flow of Origami, putting a barrier to its transmission. That doesn't help spread the artform. Moreover, they turn down free publicity. Anyone can teach any of my designs, I consider it advertising. If folks like them with luck they'll buy my books. People teaching the designs of a creator increase that creator's recognition.

Just for reference, it is called copyRIGHT and not copyWRITE. It has nothing to do with writing... but with the right to copy something.

And before this drifts of into another endless and useless copyright discussion... STOP IT. If you want to discuss this matter use one of the existing topics. This topic is about the BOS Spring Convention.

You are of course correct about my misspelling. A bad and embarrassing habit. It is your party, and I will respect your wishes. Never saw such a violent reaction to threadjack, though.