MC - Methyl Cellulose

[deadbard]

Yeah, that's a Methyl Cellulose based glue, never tried that brand because we don't have that here but shouldn't be much diffent from any other MC based glue.

[markfiend]

Reading this thread has convinced me to try making my own double-tissue. I have some wallpaper-paste left over from when we decorated the living room, and I'm fairly sure it's (mostly) MC. (I think there's an anti-fungal agent in there too.)

Wish me luck!

[chesscuber98]

Does anyone know where to find MC or CMC in India?

[Leeuummmm]

Hi, sorry for this post it's a little bit off topic but I didn't really know what thread to post it into.
I'm gonna glue up some single and double paper mulberry paper with MC soon (quite excited, I've not used MC before!). What I was wondering is mulberry paper the same as unryu? I thought it was but then every now and then I see something that makes doubt whether I was right or not!

[phillipcurl]

no. unryu is essentially kozo paper with extra pulp. mulberry paper is..mulberry paper.

[Leeuummmm]

Right ok then. All these different papers are so confusing!
Thanks for the confirmation anyway

[Alexorigami]

From what I know, mulberry paper is kozo. The exact same thing. Kozo is just the Japanese name for mulberry, I remember reading somewhere.
The difference between all of these papers(kozo, unryu, banana paper, etc.) is very small, only the fibers they are made from differ. Of course they come in different GSM.
I may be wrong, please correct me if it is the case.

[phillipcurl]

Mulberry Paper is handmade from the inner fiber of the mulberry to produce an exceptionally pure, translucent paper, used by paper and painting conservators in repair and lamination. It is very strong, despite its light weight.

Unryu is made by adding long swirling fibers to a basic kozo pulp. Unryu paper is white and translucent.

completely different.

[Leeuummmm]

Well this has confused me more aha. I brought some paper that was titled as mulberry paper. It is translucent and light weight like you said but it has quite thick fibres/strands in it as well as you described in the previous post.
So could it be that it is actually unryu but has been named wrong? Or can you get mulberry with thick strands in, like a kind of hybrid paper?

P.S I do apologise this has gone quite off topic from MC. However I did put some MC a sheet of this mystery paper and it was amazing to work with!!!!! I'd never used MC before and neither had I ever really used any decent paper before and it was absolutely lovely. Folded Satoshi Kamiya's pegasus from it and it was only just a 20 cm sheet. Definitely going to use MC again in the future!

[phillipcurl]

no, that is what mulberry paper looks like as far as i remember.

they are different though. trust me. there is a large difference when your using it.

[Leeuummmm]

I shall take your word for it

One day I'll have enough money to buy all these different papers and then I can see for myself! Aha

[Alexorigami]

Mulberry Paper is handmade from the inner fiber of the mulberry to produce an exceptionally pure, translucent paper, used by paper and painting conservators in repair and lamination. It is very strong, despite its light weight.

Unryu is made by adding long swirling fibers to a basic kozo pulp. Unryu paper is white and translucent.

completely different.

I have seen examples of colored Unryu. Nicolas Terry sells some, Tadashi Mori uses it. By the way the color is spread, I doubt the Unryu was painted by hand. I am no expert in Unryu.
If you search for "Japanese Tissue" on Wikipedia, the first sentences would be: "Japanese tissue is a thin, strong paper made from vegetable fibers. Japanese tissue may be made from one of three plants, the kozo plant (Broussonetia papyrifera, Paper Mulberry tree), the mitsumata (Edgeworthia chrysantha) shrub and the gampi tree (Diplomorpha sikokiana)"

So kozo=mulberry.

If you search for Unryu paper in Wikipedia, there is no corresponding page, all it says is: "Unryu is a Japanese surname and term, associated with:
Unryū class aircraft carrier
Unryū Kyūkichi, the early 19th century sumo champion.
Akari Unryu, anime character.
Unryu Paper, Japanese art paper similar to mulberry, used for sumi-e painting."

Of course this similarity might be worth nothing in terms of origami, but I have no experience to compare them.

[rwzheng1997]

I put two sheets of tissue on top of each other, with the glossier side face down. I can't seem to get the bubbles out, and it rips everywhere. It peels off the surface fine, but as I said, it rips. My brush however is one of the one time use ones, and is a bit rough. Could that be the reason?
Thanks!

[phillipcurl]

Alexorigami: Thai Unryu is the coloured one. Japanese unryu is not usually coloured.

If you search for "Japanese Tissue" on Wikipedia, the first sentences would be: "Japanese tissue is a thin, strong paper made from vegetable fibers. Japanese tissue may be made from one of three plants, the kozo plant (Broussonetia papyrifera, Paper Mulberry tree), the mitsumata (Edgeworthia chrysantha) shrub and the gampi tree (Diplomorpha sikokiana)"

Just because it is made from the same tree does not mean it has to be the same paper. that is completely false. I never said it wasn't made from the same plant. I said that it wasn't the same paper because it isn't. mulberry paper is entirely different from unryu.

Unryu Paper, Japanese art paper similar to mulberry, used for sumi-e painting.

exactly, similar.
dictionary definition of similar: having a likeness or resemblance, especially in a general way: two similar houses.

I put two sheets of tissue on top of each other, with the glossier side face down. I can't seem to get the bubbles out, and it rips everywhere. It peels off the surface fine, but as I said, it rips. My brush however is one of the one time use ones, and is a bit rough. Could that be the reason?
Thanks!

the things that matter: surface, methylcellulose, brush, and technique of application
make sure you are using a smooth, non porous surface (glass or a plastic sheet works really well). your methylcellulose needs to be the right consistency. probably in your case though, it is the brush. buy a fine hair (i use a squirrel hair) painting brush. they are like $3 at an art store. Get a large one, too. and finally - make sure you are going slow. it helps with thin paper to mist it with a spray bottle before applying MC.

[TheUnChosenOne]

I put two sheets of tissue on top of each other, with the glossier side face down. I can't seem to get the bubbles out, and it rips everywhere. It peels off the surface fine, but as I said, it rips. My brush however is one of the one time use ones, and is a bit rough. Could that be the reason?
Thanks!

Maybe you should try it inside when there's fast winds outside.
inside joke