Sandbox twaddle

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » July 30th, 2005, 8:29 am

Okay I wanted to try out the Mulberry paper so I folded a simple octopus (my own design).

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 30th, 2005, 11:04 pm

isn't this octopus a very common first try? a blintzed birdbase (I don't know, if it's the right term)... some doodeling and there's the octopus

nice anyway

Christian

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » July 30th, 2005, 11:52 pm

Why don't you just try dropping the attitude Chris, it's not appreciated.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 31st, 2005, 1:58 am

Why don't you just try dropping the attitude Chris, it's not appreciated.

I really have no idea, what you ment with this sentence.

Christian

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » July 31st, 2005, 2:18 am

Chris, you've been acting like me lately: a little too confident that you are right. I do it all the time. I don't mean to sound like an arrogant know-it-all, but that's how it comes across sometimes.

thedeadsmellbad · Post by **thedeadsmellbad** » July 31st, 2005, 10:08 am

Joseph Wu wrote:Chris, you've been acting like me lately: a little too confident that you are right. I do it all the time. I don't mean to sound like an arrogant know-it-all, but that's how it comes across sometimes.

Joseph Wu just became one of my hero's.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 31st, 2005, 12:52 pm

Chris, you've been acting like me lately: a little too confident that you are right. I do it all the time. I don't mean to sound like an arrogant know-it-all, but that's how it comes across sometimes.

I read through my last 90 posts to find that arrogance ( I never take criticism easy!!). ok there where some postings that could be taken wrong, as long as the reader doesn't know how to handle smileys. I corrected you, Joseph, with the Elefantenhaut, but there was a twinkle-smiley after that. and there was one posting in "interesting websites". oh yeah, I didn't like Dani's posting-models-idea... how could I dare to tell.
maybe you can give me some examples, I really want to know, in which cases I acted somehow like arrogant, because I never wanted to do that.

as for the octopus: I know, that DavidW is proud of his model, and I never said, that it's a bad thing. I even told him, that it's nice.

Joseph Wu just became one of my hero's.

Et tu, Brute. (You also, Brutus.)

Christian

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » July 31st, 2005, 5:23 pm

Chris, your tone was arrogant and condescending, and after that your attempt to say something positive came off as sarcastic instead. Your post was rude, why can't you see that?

If you didn't have a moderator tag, I would swear that you were trolling for a response. You don't know anything about the model except what the final result looks like and you're going to tell me (a) how it's folded, (b) how it's trivial and thus (c) how it's a waste of time and then give me a pat on the shoulder and say there, there it was a good try anyway.

I am open to constructive criticism, but destructive criticism is inappropriate and has no place on an origami forum.

Post by **origami_8** » July 31st, 2005, 6:20 pm

DavidW now you get really childish. Chris told you that your octopus is nice, he doesn´t say that it would be a waste of time. The only thing he mentioned was that it is a very common first design to come up with. That isn´t rude, that´s a fact, sorry.
I´m sure you will call me now arrogant too, but think about the words you´ve written and maybe you will see that you´ve reacted like a huffy child.

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » July 31st, 2005, 7:23 pm

You're out of line Anna. I did not ask for your insults. If you have nothing to contribute but to be rude and offensive then you should refrain from further replies.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 31st, 2005, 7:28 pm

Chris, your tone was arrogant and condescending, and after that your attempt to say something positive came off as sarcastic instead. Your post was rude, why can't you see that?

maybe, because you're the only one, that thought, it was rude? you are proud of your octopus, and somebody (in this case me) told you, that somebody else had the same idea before, and now you're offended.
I didn't wanted to insult you in any way. if I did, I'm sorry about that, but I wasn't rude, it's only your imagination that made it rude!

You don't know anything about the model except what the final result looks like and you're going to tell me (a) how it's folded, (b) how it's trivial

you're right, I don't have a clue, how your octopus works

and thus (c) how it's a waste of time and then give me a pat on the shoulder and say there, there it was a good try anyway.

and once more: I neither said nor ment anything like this.

Christian

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » July 31st, 2005, 7:29 pm

For the record it's a variation on a Kawahata insect.

And before you knee-jerk reply Anna-- think before you have another temper tantrum.

Post by **origami_8** » July 31st, 2005, 7:32 pm

DavidW wrote:You're out of line Anna. I did not ask for your insults. If you have nothing to contribute but to be rude and offensive then you should refrain from further replies.

Thanks for reaffirming what I have said.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 31st, 2005, 7:39 pm

sorry, I had to do this

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » July 31st, 2005, 8:20 pm

David,

While it is perfectly understandable that you are upset by Chris's trivialization of your Octopus, you should realize a couple of things:

1) From the photo you can tell the basic folding method, namely a blintzed-bird base.

2) It is not uncommon to independently come up with identical designs. Think of the frog-base X-wing. It was Joseph Wu's first model, my third, and countless others came up with the same thing. Sure, the style and shaping may have differed between the designs, but they were still the same basic structure--a frog base.

I ran into the same sort of criticism a couple years after I came up with what turned out to be Momotani's "flower". I came up with a spider that I thought was awesome, only to find out later how similar it was to Lang's Orb Weaver. Tachi Tomohiro's Flying beetles are from the same base as mine were, (but I doubt he knows it.)

Then again they aren't always as they seem. I came up with a Millenium Falcon design that looked identical to Phil Schulz's latest one, and emailed him immediately about it, only to later realize his was from a 2 x 1 rectangle.

Most every origami creator has run into the same situation at one time or another. Sure it sucks, but hey, at least no one's accusing you of stealing.

So be proud of your octopus. But realize others have come up with the same basic thing.