Mario Adrados Netto's Dama

rokonacdc · Post by **rokonacdc** » July 12th, 2006, 7:45 pm

im at what you showed for step 14 but arent you supposed to somehow sink the part that is still sticking up into the model because thats where im stuck at, is there new creases or anything

Lux Aeterna · Post by **Lux Aeterna** » July 25th, 2006, 10:38 pm

I hate to be stuck right at the beginning, but I can't quite see how the folds in 4-10 are arranged... How does that front 10/32 of the paper stay separate from the two laters behind it? I was under the impression that you just kept pleating the three outermost edges, but that doesn't seem right...

For example, if in step 4 you valley fold along the entire left and right sides of the paper, you get something that is identical to having done step 4, then 1-3. On the other hand, if you valley fold through both layers on the edge, (so the raw edge is on the topmost layer for the lower 10/32 of the paper) then the frontmost flap is no longer free. I'm getting the feeling niether of these approaches are what the diagrams are trying to show. Any advice? I think I'm having the same problem as the topic creator's original post, but I couldn't figure it out from Chris's advice.

Aznman · Post by **Aznman** » July 25th, 2006, 11:37 pm

These steps are virtually impossible to describe with words....but: In step four, ALL the flaps are valley folded. This is techniqually impossible, but in step five, everything is maintained and the model becomes flat. You will end up with a very strange collection of flaps at the sides of the model. The only real advise I can give is that the model has to look like step 12. Maybe someone will make pictures, which would make this thread complete, but......

Lux Aeterna · Post by **Lux Aeterna** » July 26th, 2006, 8:50 am

Yeah, this still isn't quite working. Can anyone post pictures of how you do those pleats? I understand box pleating well enough, but there's clearly something wierd going on with this model.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 26th, 2006, 10:20 am

maybe you should try to fold something else???

rokonacdc · Post by **rokonacdc** » July 26th, 2006, 3:18 pm

could you stop suggesting that, some people like to finish what they started and , maybe fold something else while waiting for help so what you are saying is likely to be happening

Post by **origami_8** » July 26th, 2006, 4:01 pm

Understanding comes with practise and if you arenÂ´t able to fold an a little bit more complex model, this is nothing else than a proof that you arenÂ´t experienced enough. So if you want to fold this model go on fold some other stuff and try again when you got better. Time and practise will help you, so the advice to fold something else is the best advice to give if someone is stuck on the first steps of a model and doesnÂ´t even understand the tips given on these steps with photo instructions.
And if you are bored rokonacdc, go out and fold something instead of writing rubbish.

Post by **TheRealChris** » July 26th, 2006, 4:35 pm

knowing your own limitations is a important part of development. so if you can't fold something, you're probably not good enough. so go and find something else to fold and come back with more skill and knowledge, and maybe you will succeed.

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » July 26th, 2006, 5:01 pm

What rokonacdc said is not rubbish, Anna. While Christian is correct in what he says, HOW he says it makes a difference. Simply telling someone to fold something else (especially with all of the extra question marks) is a very discouraging comment. It sounds like you're saying they're never going to be able to fold this model. Christian's second posting was much better because it explains WHY he's suggesting this person should fold something else. It's more encouraging. We should be encouraging people to fold here, right?

Lux Aeterna · Post by **Lux Aeterna** » July 26th, 2006, 8:42 pm

Ok, I figured out what I was doing wrong; everything works fine now. I guess I just needed to go to sleep and start over again in the morning. Rokonacdc, are you still having trouble with 14? Those are just normal, friendly, open sinks - sink both flaps all the way in, and then sink the remaining part that's now sticking out the other side back out. Chris's pictures on the first page are very clear.

In response to the past couple of posts, I'm well aware that experience is the only truly effective way to gain ability, and that experience is not something I have going for me. (I folded simple 2D models for a few years as a hobby in grade school, then I forgot all about it until a few months ago when an article about Robert Lang appeared in Scientific American magazine. A picture of his mantis and the CP was all I needed to renew my interest in origami, and I've done little else in my free time since.) I don't know, that's just how I prefer to learn, even in school. I find something engaging, dive in someplace that looks just over my head, then try as hard as I can to stay afloat, and if it works, go someplace a bit deeper next time.

Essentially, I'd rather try folding a difficult model and fail a dozen times before getting a result that looks respectable than spend the same time folding a bunch of simpler models that I already know I'd be able to do.

PLP · Post by **PLP** » December 24th, 2006, 10:12 pm

Hy people...
I'm here again!

So i was trying to fold Mario Adrados Netto Dama, but i couldn't finish the model. I don't understand how to get to the step 12.

But i realy don't understand chris tip.

If someone could help me with photos of the transiction 11-12...

Thanks

Destined · Post by **Destined** » February 20th, 2008, 4:50 pm

could someone perhaps post a picture of step 6, on which I can see the backside and side of the model? I think that would be most helpful to understand how the first steps have to be done.

Destined · Post by **Destined** » March 3rd, 2008, 4:54 pm

I have done it again, with Chris' advice. Only thing is, that you have to divide it into 32 parts beforehand or else the folds will get too inaccurate. This is, what went wrong in my first tries. Thanks for the help.