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Joseph Wu wrote:The current popular interpretation of copyright law amongst leading designers is that designs are copyrightable. This means very little since it has not been tested in court. Without that test, there is no legal precedent, and the interpretation is really just a matter of opinion. However, this interpretation has had enough weight to cause out-of-court settlements in such cases. So, from that point of view, distributing your own diagrams would require permission of the copyright holder. Of course, once such permission is given, the diagrammer would hold the copyright on the diagrams.
This is counter to my prior understanding of the issue, which was that the specific diagram was copyrightable, but the folds were not, so any person willing to document the model in a different way could freely publish it.

I had assumed that was how Alexandra Dirk published models (mainly boxes) through Sterling Publishing that are identical to Tomoko Fuse's boxes but are diagrammed with photographs instead of line drawings. Unless some of these out of court settlements are about that and I'm just not aware of them. Can you specify more about these cases?
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Copyright continued...

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So that hurda won't be distracted from his all-important hydralisk, I've started a new thread to continue the copyright discussions. We now return you to our regularly scheduled whining.
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Hi Hurda

Sorry for having gone so out of topic. I also get mad when people hijack my threads so in order to compensate you i tried the Hydra and i think I can help you (by the way the copyright topic is awesome).

I find the handdrawn diagrams easier so i will refer to them.

So it is step 5 that is giving you trouble. It reminds me of a step in Robert Lang's rabbit from origami zoo, you have to pull the legs in a funny way.

I might be able to send photos tomorrow but by now you might try this:

1. make sure you understood and folded correctly steps 1 to 4. Most of the times when you get stuck at one step because you don't seem to be able what you are told to, is because you made a mistake a few steps before and now the paper is blocked.

2. Iy you are sure you have done the steps correctly you should be at step 4. On the lower left of the model you have a loose flap and behind it there are 4 layeers of paper. What step 5 tells you to do is pull the loose flap and raise it until it lies along the inverted kite at the top of the model. If you do this the rest of the paper at the bottom of the model should follow the flap and lie past the center of the model. Thsi is why you are told to fold back some paper on step 6.

I hope this helps. I am stuck at step 8. I do not seem to find the way to obtain that head.

Come back with more questions if you need to.
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Post by Friet »

I tried it as well and didn't know how to get the head either. But then I saw that I had missed a part of step four. It says you should wrap the flap that forms the head outside. This will allow you to fold the head correctly, and it makes the head white if you're using kami. So I'd suggest you use single colour paper.
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I've finished it. It needs a lot of modelling but it's rather nice, and looks like an hydralisk.

I was just wondering why all of you use the hand-drawn diagram. The other one is more clear (but still not very clear) and has a lot of explanations. Personally, I prefer this one (I tried those 2). It needs 3 or 4 attempts before really worthing it : some folds are approximative.

Good luck !
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Post by Mospinispinosp »

Hello, I am the one who actually made the instructions for that easier version of a hydralisk. I was googling for the original instructions for it (which were hand drawn I believe) when I came across this site. Nice to see that people are (trying) to make use of it! Looking back I can see that the instructions are not well done at all, especially considering that step 9's diagram is completely wrong. Unfortunately the original files are lost, making it hard to fix, furthermore I don't really have time to do that. Those instructions were also made with the assumption that you would have the original, hand drawn ones as well, which I believe were also posted earlier.

As for step 9, it is really hard to explain without a drawing, so I'll try to take the time to make a better one, but basically you do not fold it nearly as far over as it shows. Another thing I never quite got right myself (I only interpreted and re-made the original instructions, I had no part in designing the folds) is the front and back of the head, so if people have figured those out, I can add better diagrams for them as well.

EDIT: I will also try to get photos up. My digital camera can make videos, but very low quality so I will see if that's even worth it.
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Post by thanatos »

HI,
someone knows if jason have the CP of the mutalisk?


THANKS!!!!1
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Post by Cupcake »

Well, he probably has his own personal CP, but I don't think he has released it anywhere.
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Post by thanatos »

someone already fold this model, can explain how to fold it?

Thanks!!!!!
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I am not sure it is the same model but this animation might help http://axcho.deviantart.com/art/How-to- ... s-64460489
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Welll, I have admit that I like that hydralisk better...

But heres Jason's: http://scripts.mit.edu/~jasonku/index.p ... hydralisk1
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Post by thanatos »

Thanks for the link Brimstone, but i'm referring to jason's model.
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Post by Daydreamer »

What I would do when folding this model is to start by folding the underlying box-pleated structure which would be the following CP:

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This is still probably quite a hassle to fold but not impossible, and at least it's a nice 32x32 grid so the precreasing isn't too bad. You can get some hints for collapsing this simplified CP from my box pleating guide (which is still incomplete I'm sorry to say, I got delayed by other things). Then you can work from that base to get the details.
So long and keep folding ^_^
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Here's my result of folding Jason Ku's Hydralisk from CP.
I've used a 28cm square of foil paper.
For the shaping (I didn't really do much of it) I mainly used the pictures on this page.

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I quite like how the head turned out with something like eyes and the split jaws as on the page mentioned above.

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The model is actually easier to fold than it looks like - if you are used to boxpleating that is. I've asked Jason Ku for permission to create a short pictured guide on how to get the base for the model, and awaiting his reply.
So long and keep folding ^_^
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