Please help with Hydra

hurda · Post by **hurda** » May 17th, 2005, 5:55 pm

Please help I'm non origamist starcraft fan, I came acros nice origami of Jason Ku (My big RE5PEKT). His Hydralisk is very cool
http://www.bluegoo.net/~jason/2004/hydralisk.html

And I'm trying to find someone who will tell to strcraft comunity how to fold it. It could be realy cool and popular, if someone made noob-manual to hydralisk

Post by **saj** » May 17th, 2005, 6:56 pm

Hi Hurda,

Welcome to the Forum. Unfortunately diagrams for the Hydralisk by Jason Ku don't exist (unless he's made some for personal reference). What is available however, is a rather cryptic CP (Crease Pattern) - which if collapsed properly can lead you to the model base. Afterwhich you'll need to add the last details yourself.

I have never been any good with CPs (and I've been folding for the last 7 years or so) but don't let that discourage you! I believe Jason is a member of the board and I'm sure he'll lend a helping hand! Otherwise Ben Ball (resident CP expert) may also offer some help.

Saj

hurda · Post by **hurda** » May 17th, 2005, 7:24 pm

I'v allready printed the CP but as I told I'm noob and I can't fold it properly without helping (I have onkly folded the lines which are from one side of paper to another.) I'v allredy tried to conact Jason, but he's bussy or I have bad mail adress.

So I'm realy looking foreward to be helped by someone

only I can offer is to mention helperses names in article on http://www.gosugamers.net

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » May 17th, 2005, 7:44 pm

Since this is Jason's design, he's the only source you have for help. Even if someone decyphers the CP, they can't produce instructions without Jason's consent. If he's not available, then you're pretty much out of luck. (I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic. Besides, if you're really a "noob", how can you be sure you'd be able to make the hydralisk even with a full set of instructions? It looks to be a fairly complex design.)

Jason: welcome to my world.

Friet · Post by **Friet** » May 17th, 2005, 7:47 pm

Indeed, if you're new to origami you probably won't be able to fold the model anyway, even with diagrams.

I think the best chance you have might be posting the pictures and crease pattern on that site of yours, and hoping there's an origami expert among the people who read the article. And who also happens to be willing to spend many hours making the diagrams.

barlou · Post by **barlou** » May 18th, 2005, 12:52 pm

Look at this thread.

http://snkhan.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.ph ... =hydralisk

hurda · Post by **hurda** » May 18th, 2005, 3:36 pm

THX but as you might noticed I'v already post to this thred and I'v tryed to contact Styen who said that he have folded hydralisk allready - but he havn't replayd yet nor on email nor on ICQ.

Maybe someone can Film himself during folding hydralisk - I think, than anybody could folloe this manual,

I'v found one more easy model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... rigami.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/ ... gami_7.jpg
I'm stuck at step 9-10 how could I make the hend (if you take my meaning)
and hehe is another diagram for the same model - problematic sep is the 5th
http://archive.sclegacy.com/features/zergdiagram.png

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » May 19th, 2005, 7:48 pm

Joseph Wu wrote:Since this is Jason's design, he's the only source you have for help. Even if someone decyphers the CP, they can't produce instructions without Jason's consent.

Is this really so? I mean it in a good way and by no means trying ot defy Joseph, but is it forbiden by copyright laws producing instructions (I don't mean full diagrams) for Cp's you might crack? If so then the vertix assigned Cp's I've produced are breaking this law. Please elaborate on this subject.

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » May 19th, 2005, 8:01 pm

Brimstone wrote:Is this really so? I mean it in a good way and by no means trying ot defy Joseph, but is it forbiden by copyright laws producing instructions (I don't mean full diagrams) for Cp's you might crack? If so then the vertix assigned Cp's I've produced are breaking this law. Please elaborate on this subject.

Defy me all you want. I might be opinionated, but I'm certainly not infallible.

The current popular interpretation of copyright law amongst leading designers is that designs are copyrightable. This means very little since it has not been tested in court. Without that test, there is no legal precedent, and the interpretation is really just a matter of opinion. However, this interpretation has had enough weight to cause out-of-court settlements in such cases. So, from that point of view, distributing your own diagrams would require permission of the copyright holder. Of course, once such permission is given, the diagrammer would hold the copyright on the diagrams.

Legal questions aside, there's the whole point of courtesy. This is someone else's work, so you really should get their permission before you distribute it.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » May 19th, 2005, 11:57 pm

Hey, I can be opinionated too!

I would argue that without any context, CPs cannot be copyrighted - especially since many designers do not draw CPs right down to the last detail. Most CPs, if folded, result only in a base, which would be a concept (and hence noncopyrightable) rather than a complete work.

Now, if you snag a picture of a CP that someone else has drawn and post it, that'll probably violate copyright laws. But what if you draw the same thing and then post what you've drawn? How can you distinguish between line drawings done by two different people, particularly for something as geometrical as a CP? Perhaps one way is to electronically watermark the image, or use different colour lines, or something. But I think this might be hard to legally enforce. It's the same situation with circuit diagrams. And then there's the question of fair use...

Anyway, it never hurts to ask for permission; in that case it's the designer's karma at stake, not yours.

rockmanex6 · Post by **rockmanex6** » May 21st, 2005, 5:07 am

hydrolysk's good one! like yujin, fold just & try

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » May 22nd, 2005, 3:35 pm

The specific VACP I was thinking about making available is for Komatsu's lion, without a doubt one of the nicest origami models out there.

Komatsu seems to be unreachable by email as I've read from some people trying to contact him. His Cp's are easily recognizble since they are printed in those thick dotted yellow lines he uses, so recognizing the original would be very easy for anyone familiar with Komatsu's work.

I guess sharing them with a small dark internet Cp-studying group would still be against copyright according to Joseph's opinion but if I re-draw it, it wouldn't according to Eileen's opinion. Interesting choice of moral options.

Friet · Post by **Friet** » May 22nd, 2005, 3:44 pm

I think re-drawing his cp's and putting them on the internet is indeed legal, but also rather immoral :/ It's just a legal way of stealing his designs.

hurda · Post by **hurda** » May 22nd, 2005, 10:57 pm

Well I hoped that you should help me with folding not with the law.

THe disign is copyrightable - but that does'n mean that every disign is copyrighted. Since there are no (c) or (r) I asume that disigner don't want others not to use it , try to fold or whatels.
The different situation would be if someone wants to make money with it or say that it's his disign.

I think that manual made by anybody would be OK if it have some remark of Jasons name in it.

But now pls could someone try to fold the easyone? Which I poste here lately. I'm stucked as I wrote

rockmanex6 · Post by **rockmanex6** » May 23rd, 2005, 2:12 am

easyone? wich