Satoshi Kamiya - Ryu Zin (CP)

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » March 7th, 2010, 6:00 pm

"some reasons":
the paper you use is way too thick.
The sheet size is not suitable - I mean too small. (of course it may be folded from such size if paper, but it requires more effort and attention, and thinner paper too.)

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 8th, 2010, 12:06 am

thanks i will try it again soon out of parchment paper hopefully this will turn out better

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » March 8th, 2010, 4:11 pm

And i suggest pre-creasing the scales

insaneorigami · Post by **insaneorigami** » March 8th, 2010, 9:08 pm

Heh heh, yyyeeeaaahhhh... ...parchment paper? Unless you have a really big sheet, or a special kind, have fun... ...I was thinking about it, but the biggest sheets that I could find were 15", and it is a non-stick surface, so tape and glue won't stick very well. Also, the paper that I was using was too slippery.... ....and thick...

And I have heard otherwise, but Paulius is right - pre-crease the scales - it doesn't take too much longer, and it will be worth it...

Today, I finished my 96/48 grid. Tomorrow, I start pre-creasing the upper half!

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 8th, 2010, 9:22 pm

thanks for the tips and whats better parchment paper or wax(baking) paper

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 8th, 2010, 9:25 pm

PauliusOrigami wrote:"some reasons":
the paper you use is way too thick.
The sheet size is not suitable - I mean too small. (of course it may be folded from such size if paper, but it requires more effort and attention, and thinner paper too.)

the paper i used for my first attempt was really cheap craft paper and itdidnt have a gsm number on it

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 9th, 2010, 2:45 am

insaneorigami wrote:Heh heh, yyyeeeaaahhhh... ...parchment paper? Unless you have a really big sheet, or a special kind, have fun... ...I was thinking about it, but the biggest sheets that I could find were 15", and it is a non-stick surface, so tape and glue won't stick very well. Also, the paper that I was using was too slippery.... ....and thick...

And I have heard otherwise, but Paulius is right - pre-crease the scales - it doesn't take too much longer, and it will be worth it...

Today, I finished my 96/48 grid. Tomorrow, I start pre-creasing the upper half!

I was thinking about taking nine sheets of parchment paper and dividing each of them into 32peices so i will have a 96/96peice of paper.

insaneorigami · Post by **insaneorigami** » March 9th, 2010, 9:44 pm

I did that with tracing paper.

You probably already understood what I said, but I'll say it again - That (attaching multiple sheets of parchment paper) simply won't work. The reason for that is that, as I said earlier, parchment paper is a non-stick surface designed so that foods that are cooked on it will not stick - therefore, tape and (I would imagine) glue would not stick. Again, I'm not 100% about most glue, but spray adhesive will not work, so my hopes aren't high for really any other types of glue.

Also, though it will not work due to size, parchment paper is far superior to wax paper. Wax paper, as is said in the title, has a waxy coating on it that will come off on your hands during the folding. Couple that with it's tendency to be reduced to the texture of "soggy oatmeal" after lots of folding, and you have a very un-ideal folding substance.

The "soggy oatmeal" effect is created by an excess number of creases in any one area of paper. Wax paper, newsprint, and many other papers are subject to this effect. When you try folding anything in that area, the new creases will not stay there due to the excess number of creases that have previously been installed in said area. The paper will pop out of place, and it is very hard to get it to stay in place.

A good way to test for paper durability is this (I give terrible text instructions, so I will try to do my best, but...):

Take a piece of paper, and make a verticle pleat in it (a pleat going from left to right). The, fold the paper in half horizontally so that the pleat is in half. Grasp two opposite verticle edges of paper, and pull sharply out. This will undo the pleat made in the first step, and reduce you to a sheet of paper folded in half. If the paper tears easily into a large tear in the paper where all the tension of the un-folding was, than this paper is probably not great for Ryu Jin (zin). If there is a ragged, uneven tear (indicating that the paper did not tear easily), than this paper may be ok, but get some practice. If the paper does not tear, and is only weakened, than this is a pretty good tear-resistent paper. Finally, if the paper is not weakened at all, then.. ...Wow, that's a great paper.

I hope that helped you out.

EDIT: Paulius - I have started pre-creasing now! Tomorrow I hope to finish pre-creasing it, and then I will collapse! I hope to see progress in your excellent looking Ryu Jin!!

orislater · Post by **orislater** » March 10th, 2010, 1:50 am

What is the half cp method?

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 10th, 2010, 1:54 am

where can i buy tracing paper and is that the same as baking paper

artur biernacki · Post by **artur biernacki** » March 10th, 2010, 8:43 am

Trouble wrote:
insaneorigami wrote:Heh heh, yyyeeeaaahhhh... ...parchment paper? Unless you have a really big sheet, or a special kind, have fun... ...I was thinking about it, but the biggest sheets that I could find were 15", and it is a non-stick surface, so tape and glue won't stick very well. Also, the paper that I was using was too slippery.... ....and thick...

And I have heard otherwise, but Paulius is right - pre-crease the scales - it doesn't take too much longer, and it will be worth it...

Today, I finished my 96/48 grid. Tomorrow, I start pre-creasing the upper half!

I was thinking about taking nine sheets of parchment paper and dividing each of them into 32peices so i will have a 96/96peice of paper.

i'm tinking is better make divide on 3th and later each on 32th. When you divide first on 32th , later you have to divide 3 times on 3th.

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » March 10th, 2010, 5:13 pm

insaneorigami wrote:I did that with tracing paper.
EDIT: Paulius - I have started pre-creasing now! Tomorrow I hope to finish pre-creasing it, and then I will collapse! I hope to see progress in your excellent looking Ryu Jin!!

good to hear, Andrew. I am finishing pre-creasing the leg part (head and the scales are pre-creased). can't wait to finish pre-crease!!

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » March 10th, 2010, 8:50 pm

artur biernacki wrote:
Trouble wrote:
insaneorigami wrote:Heh heh, yyyeeeaaahhhh... ...parchment paper? Unless you have a really big sheet, or a special kind, have fun... ...I was thinking about it, but the biggest sheets that I could find were 15", and it is a non-stick surface, so tape and glue won't stick very well. Also, the paper that I was using was too slippery.... ....and thick...

And I have heard otherwise, but Paulius is right - pre-crease the scales - it doesn't take too much longer, and it will be worth it...

Today, I finished my 96/48 grid. Tomorrow, I start pre-creasing the upper half!

I was thinking about taking nine sheets of parchment paper and dividing each of them into 32peices so i will have a 96/96peice of paper.
i'm tinking is better make divide on 3th and later each on 32th. When you divide first on 32th , later you have to divide 3 times on 3th.

thanks where can i buy big and thin paper of that size

insaneorigami · Post by **insaneorigami** » March 11th, 2010, 1:57 am

It might be easier to make larger sheets by glueing multiple small sheets together. I, for example, have folded 3.5's from 9 sheets, and am working on one from four.

Orislater - the half CP method is when you fold the bottom half from a 2/1 rectangle, fold the top half, and then attach the two halves at the very end.

Paulius - I have started collapsing!!! I am guessing it will take many days to shape, though... ...I haven't shaped any of the bottom half yet, and am waiting to finish before I do the top.

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » March 11th, 2010, 11:16 am

I started collapsing too. For now, i have my legs completed and a beginning of scales and trans. units being done.