is it worth it?

Velandar · Post by **Velandar** » February 27th, 2011, 7:03 pm

Hello everyone...I think i'm not so bad at paper folding....i memorized (can fold without book)how to fold ancient dragon/ bahamut/ roc and other diagrammed things...the problem is : that there is much more intresting things like riu zin or leaf dragon,even elric joisel dworf makes me droll *-*
I never done before ANY CP...kind of scared of difficulties in those things

i do not belive in my self so i didnt done any of those... can anyone give a tip wich model in CP worth the time it takes and not so complicated...simple box pleating or circle packing would be nice...plz help

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » February 27th, 2011, 7:13 pm

Hello there!

Of course trying CP's is well worth it. The time you spend in trying to solve a CP will also help you to understand the internal structure of the model and maybe later it could be of help to start designing your own models.

As for the easy CP recommendation, try the CP FAQ stickky post. My advice would be to try Joisel's dwarf, it is simple and there is enough information on it on the forum.

Good luck.

Velandar · Post by **Velandar** » February 27th, 2011, 7:38 pm

arigato! bot would it be a cheat on this dwarf cp if i found a cp in tendain?

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » February 27th, 2011, 11:58 pm

Velandar wrote:arigato! bot would it be a cheat on this dwarf cp if i found a cp in tendain?

I don't follow you, a CP is a CP no matter where you get it from. Maybe you refer to a diagram in tanteidan. In that6 case what I would recommend is trying the CP first and if you get stuck, "cheat" a little with the diagrams and then try again the rest of the model from the CP and then if you get stuck, "cheat" a little more with the diagrams.

If in the end you find that you cheated too much and that you completed the model from the diagrams, try to fold it again from another paper from the CP until you succeed.

Velandar · Post by **Velandar** » February 28th, 2011, 11:40 am

i have too good memory : / so it kinda doesent matter wich paper i use and how i done it..if i seen diagram - i memoriezred it in da second...
anyway thx for advice sempai

bethnor · Post by **bethnor** » February 28th, 2011, 4:07 pm

all that said, the diagrams for many super complex origami works involves basically laying out the crease pattern, collapsing it into the base, and then shaping. if you watch the time lapse video of kamiya making his phoenix v3.5, that's basically what he does. more or less, that's also what's involved in nguyen cuong hung's eagle and most of the insects of OI2.

i.e., the official diagrams for the phoenix v3.5, i suspect, will likely end up literally showing you how to collapse the cp into the base and then shape.

i.e., imho, a legimate "way" to learn how to collapse cp is to look at "diagrams" which just show you how to crease and collapse the base. which i believe was joisel's intention with those dwarf diagrams.

juan landeta's book on how to solve cp should be out soon.

the modern einstein · Post by **the modern einstein** » March 1st, 2011, 9:03 am

What has really put me off crease patterns is forming the base into a recognisable model; I tried folding R. Lang' crease pattern for his violist ( folded out of a square) but could not shape the base into the final model, it is only this one setback that holds me back from folding crease patterns. I will try the dwarf, but any more advice would be a very good thing, for all who do not know how to fold CP's

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » March 1st, 2011, 9:04 pm

the modern einstein wrote:What has really put me off crease patterns is forming the base into a recognisable model; I tried folding R. Lang' crease pattern for his violist ( folded out of a square) but could not shape the base into the final model, it is only this one setback that holds me back from folding crease patterns. I will try the dwarf, but any more advice would be a very good thing, for all who do not know how to fold CP's

That's a disadvantage for CP's over diagrams, sometimes you have to use way too much imagination, like with Noboru Miyajima's CP's, I've solved many of them but I have only completed a few models, since from the collapsed base to the final model there are sometimes more than 100 steps and my imagination doesn't reach that far, but I still think it is very important to learn how to solve CP's.

Since I brough up the topic of Miyajima's models, you can try his camel, http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~origami/e/camel.html it is not difficult and once you finish the CP, the model is over, no shaping is required.